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This video came from a recent conference on worship put on by the National Center for Family Integrated Churches. It is making is way around the web with much consternation about the arrogance these men exhibit while talking about rap music. (They don’t like it, surprise, surprise.) But where was the outrage when the NCFIC produced A Weed in the Church that denounces traditional age integrated aspects of church life as unbiblical? And why is no one taking these guys to task for their hierarchal views of women and anyone else who isn’t white and male? Doug Phillips and his Vision Forum may be gone or nearly gone but his legacy lives on and this video proves it. As much as the NCFIC and the patriocentric fathers (and mothers) and even Vision Forum interns are attempting to distance themselves from Phillips, they are still patriocentrists at heart as well as in word and deed. I will say it again, Doug Phillips is redeemable, his teachings are not!

27 Responses to people up in arms over NCFIC’s views of music, miss their core beliefs

  • Kari kopari says:

    Hmmm….doesn’t changing the lyrics qualify as redeeming the form of rap….there is fundamental change to the rap when you change the lyrics. These guys are legalists.

  • Eric says:

    Yes. Although their view of music is laughable from just about every informed viewpoint (ethnomusicology, missiology, sociology, liturgiology…), it clearly shows how the NCFIC’s theology relies on promoting a certain kind of culture– notice how much they stress that word!– as more “biblical” than another kind. Their ideas about the structure of a church service, and about gender roles and family struture, is just as much a product of their own culture as their ideas about music; only by a completely mypoic sleight of hand can it be said to be any more “biblical” than other ways of doing it.

  • Paula says:

    Haven’t listened to the whole thing but was struck with how white, middle aged, and male the commentators were. Not really representative of our culture or the church.

  • Avelinn says:

    I hear your concerns, thatmom. But I was actually just commenting on Scott Brown’s site. I don’t know if you’ve seen, but just today he posted asking for forgiveness for the panel discussion. I actually decided to ask a few questions. I guess what I’m hoping is that this issue is opening up the door for Scott Brown, the NCFIC, and others to hear Christian perspectives outside of their own. Which is unusual because they are usually so closed, sometimes even policing what other Christian web sites they are looking at. Scott has opened his blog up and is getting hundreds of comments from many different kinds of people, believers included. And this current post, he is actually responding to questions and comments. I guess I’m hoping that by opening the door up a little bit, and hearing the hearts and minds of other believers, that God could do something powerful within the movement. The movement is certainly going through something fierce right now. I don’t know. Maybe I’m just naive. I probably am. Because the extent of the things I’ve seen the last few days have shocked me, quite frankly. And I consider myself to be pretty discerning.

  • Granddad says:

    As I watched the video I kept wondering what Michael Horton and Ken Jones (The White Horse Inn) would think of this. Several weeks ago the WHI interview Ken Jones’ nephew who is a rapper with a very clear “Reformed” (i.e. Calvinistic) message. I posted to their blog, that although I personally don’t care for that style of music (heck, I don’t like Southern gospel, either) I appreciate the clear message of the gospel.

    I am glad to hear about Scott Brown apology.

  • Anthea says:

    Hello Karen

    I was well impressed to see you made a comment on a blog about this happ’nin’ rappin’ issue. Check you out! Joking aside, what a pithily perceptive observation on the issue.

    One interesting point is that these people do not have their reasoning sharpened by discourse with Christians from outside the camp. The sloppy logic and reliance on caricature (rappers with wrinkles) show that they have never been forced to convince someone else. The whole discussion was so sectarian. Hence the bizarre reference to ‘Reformed Rap’. (Is that like reformed ham? I prefer a nice Parma myself, when funds allow …)

    To answer your question, Karen, racism is blinking obvious and easy to see. Bad use of the Bible, not so simple to spot. That’s why those little books at the back of my Bible are constantly warning about false teaching. BTW, there is a nasty racist underbelly to the attitude about rap, cos apparently it’s the beats that are the problem (I read a transcript of the NCFIC video, and noticed the references to the origins of rap and the rhythms), which reminds me of the idea that jungle drums will drive our children wild and make them do unspeakable things. Also, there were comments on the origins of rap that were, to use a technical term, well dodgy.

    Trivia Corner: One of the panellists (Which one? Can you guess?) boasts on his site about his music degree from a college of which I had never heard. Some commenters remarked on it, so I looked it up. Bob Jones University, in the bad old days when it severely restricted the brown students. The college defended its practice by referring to — yes, the Curse of Ham. So what views about culture and music would he have imbibed during his studies at that august institution? On his blog he pompously referred to the “sensual” rhythms of African drums, which render all MOBO ungodly. Don’t worry, though, it’s not racist! I was thinking this afternoon that you can know a lot of the jargon of music, and yet not have any grasp of what music is FOR.

    PS The views of this NCFIC organisation have gone all over the place. Here is a link to an article against youth groups, in the most unlikely magazine you would ever expect to find it:

    http://www.charismanews.com/us/41465-youth-groups-driving-christian-teens-to-abandon-faith

  • thatmom says:

    Eric, you have made such an important point. The FIC HAS create their own culture and pronounced it “biblical.” Having been part of that culture I can testify that this panel is pretty representative of it…white, married, with children, psalms sung to funeral dirge tunes, a particular “style” when it come to dress, etc.etc.etc. I have known singles and divorced dads with children, and elderly people who never feel like they are part of the body of Christ because of the “grand sweep of revelation” i.e., their own particular culture, preached as Gospel.

    I thought it was interesting to listen to Morecraft. He is promoted as the wise elder within this circle and yet he seemed so absolutely out of touch with reality.

  • thatmom says:

    Jenny R, this you tube really sums up well the teachings on slavery within the FIC movement and their affinity for al things pre civil war. We often heard how evil Abraham Lincoln was and how great the slaves had it. And as someone who believes in the sovereignty of God, I am appalled that this is their default excuse for what happened in our history. Scripture forbids man stealing but rarely is that central to this issue with these people. And where are the one anthers of Scripture? Where are they?

  • Anthea says:

    Don’t be too upset, Granddad. It will be fine. It’s much better to know what you are dealing with in the area of false teaching.

    Remember in Revelation when John sees people of every nation, tribe and tongue? How did he know that they were of various people groups? Hmm. As I always say on this subject, some people are going to get one big shock when they get to heaven. It’s not like you can move to a ‘better’ neighbourhood or something!

  • Peaceful Honesty says:

    The third man who spoke in the video is almost cruel-looking. I had no idea that it was Geoff Botkin. And his comments on how rappers are cowardly and caving to popular culture, that was just harsh. It’s too judgmental. I can’t see Christ speaking like that, except to Pharisees. Jesus talks about Pharisees in Matthew 23:4 “They tie up heavy loads, hard to bear, and place them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves will not lift a finger to help bear them”. To these men, culture is religion. Who are they to judge where a person’s heart is? Scott Brown did post the apology from Geoff Botkin http://scottbrownonline.com/an-apology/ but it just reads a little forced, almost a legal out. :( I don’t think Mr. Botkin’s true opinion is any different than what he stated in the video.

    Thank you, Anthea for mentioning all the people groups in heaven. Yes, it’s going to be glorious! I think these guys are going to fall on their faces in repentance when they get there, for judging so harshly.

  • Michelle G. says:

    Wow, what a completely uncalled for attack on Toby Mac. Unbelievably arrogant and ugly! Toby Mac is a fantastic artist who has been inspiring a couple generations now. He is the married father of five, and completely committed to serving the Lord through his music. How this guy can find fault in that is beyond me. Could it be jealousy? Toby has more hair and talent? I know it’s not on the basis of scripture! Who knows with these people, and thanks for posting this Karen.

  • Hester says:

    Unfortunately the NCFIC video is now unavailable. Makes me wonder what was said as I never got a chance to view it.

    I also commented under the HA post about Andrew Pudewa. As I said there, the culture the Christian homeschool bubble creates is much, much narrower than just “classical music good, pop music bad.” They don’t even accept all forms of concert music, because of preconceptions about what “order” and “beauty” looks like in music. Usually this boils down to, if it doesn’t use a familiar harmonic progression (i.e., like the Baroque and Classical periods), it’s not “orderly” and since God is a God of order, it’s therefore bad. Same with beauty – if it sounds “dissonant” to them, it’s not “beautiful” ala Philippians 4:8 so it’s not of God. They’re usually still okay with the Romantic period but the Modern is pretty much considered one big act of rebellion from beginning to end.

    Of course they can’t even keep this straight, because inevitably something modern comes along that they like and they’ll find a way to justify it even if it completely contradicts all of their earlier statements. Case in point: Benjamin Britten (d. 1976) wrote loads of beautiful and accessible sacred music. Problem for music fundies: he was openly gay. Solution: fail to mention that Britten was gay and hope no one notices, all while promoting his music anyway. They use this same strategy to okay Tchaikovsky and Aaron Copland (also gay).

  • thatmom says:

    They quickly took everything down…..made a hasty apology but didn’t confess to all the things that are so outrageous. Looking further in to Mr. Horn it was even more problematic. He is a key paler in the Family Integrated Church movement.

  • Keith Blankenship says:

    While sitting here listening to UB40 I glanced at this page. I have not listened to the critique of “reformed rap”, but it strikes me as unhelpful to all concerned to repeatedly mention the ethnicity and age of the members of the panel. Also, one need not be racist to dislike the rap genre.

    Hester: I don’t know who these “Reformed Rap” performers are, but if they are of the stature of Britten, I would like to hear their music.

    Now that I am a little worked up, I think I will listen to a little Arvo Paert.

    Keith Blankenship

  • Anthea says:

    Check out the films that reveal views of the panellists. They really do think that Afro-Cuban/African/Afro-American culture is inherently inferior. Watch Dan Horn’s film about slavery linked in the post here — you’ll find it in the comments:

    http://www.thatmom.com/2013/12/04/what-exactly-are-the-ncfic-views-of-slavery/

    PS Love that 1980s Brit Reggae. I was so lucky to be a teenager in that era. If only I had realised it at the time.

    PPS It’s not acceptable to give some church leader a free pass when he’s spouting ill-informed rubbish. They do not merely dislike rap, they condemn it as unholy.

    PPPS Mentioning someone’s age or people group is important if it’s relevant. My hubby is a not-so-young white man — but he just bought some symbols on ebay, and was telling our daughter about Turkish metalwork and the Bible. He’s trying to learn how to play drums like a Berber or an Irishman, rather than elevating the classical Western tradition to a place of innate superiority.

  • Keith Blankenship says:

    Anthea:

    I listen to a variety of music. Rap is not to my liking, but I have checked out Lecrae and another artist in the Reformed rap genre, i believe the name was Linne. The little I heard was very Biblical.

    Re:Brit/Jamaican Reggae of the 1980′s, do you remember Pato Bamton, Toots, Yellowman? They sang and toasted. Even some stuff about loving one’s wife, getting married, not engaging in riotous behaviour. Pato’s Handsworth Riot is one of the best.

    I like a lot of other music, cumbia, Salsa (La Excelencia is a good new band, now called Orquestra Salsa con Concienca (sorry for spelling). i also like Tango, Electrotango (Gotan Project, Otros Aires) minimalism (the saintly Arvo Paert). Still I think Bach has no equal.

    As far as middle-aged men of European descent, I am just pushing back a bit. I am one, so i will stand up for our side. A lot of good in the world has come from Europe, and it is tiresome to hear complaints about “Old White Males”. Critique their views, not their immutable characteristics. I realise we are meant to be neutered, it just did not take with me.

    NCFIC is not a denomination, as far as I can tell. My church is on the list, but my perception is that our congregation would not share the views expressed in the video. BTW, I hope my comment posts. I have been blocked/Modded at NCIFC and Jen’s Gems. This has never happened to me before on any blog, and is a little mysterious.

    Do you like Ska? more music of my youth. The panelists in the video would probably excommunicate me based on my music preferences. (statement made in jest etc.)

  • Anthea says:

    I liked some ska, but not as much as hubby did. To be honest, we were so spoiled for choice in those days. Besides the stuff you have mentioned, there was disco and the Philly Sound (which my Daddy liked, so I got into that), and punk and the New Romantics, loads of Electro music like Depeche Mode and New Order and the other group — the one that did ‘Don’t you want me Baby?’ — what WERE they called? Of course, it was coming out of the UK, so when I went to the USA at 18 years old suddenly I was way cool, just because I was English! ‘You come from London? Do you know Duran Duran?”

    You were blocked by NFCIC AND Jen’s Gems? That takes some doing!

  • Keith Blankenship says:

    Anthea:
    Sorry for the late reply. The band was Human League “Don’t You want me baby”. Ultravox…I remember listening to them on my Walkman on the beach near Cuxhaven, in 1982. I miss Europe, but read that a lot has changed.

    Looks like I am again being permitted to post at Jen’s Gems. Jen seems like a nice person. have not tried back at NCFIC.

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1.We must acknowledge that we are all sinners. “For we are all become as one that is unclean, and all our righteousnesses are as a polluted garment: and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. (Isaiah 64:6) and “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23)

2.We are all accountable for our own sins before God. “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.” (2 Corinthians 5:10)

3.There is only one way to be forgiven of these sins and that is through the blood of Jesus Christ. “Jesus said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)

4.If we confess our sin to the Lord and repent of it (not allow it to rule in our lives) we can be forgiven and be in right standing with God. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousenss.” (1 John 1:9)

5.Genuine salvation will result in living lives of good works but none of those works contribute in any way to our standing before God which is based solely and completely on the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. “But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, He sat down at the right hand of God. (Hebrews 10:12) and “Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy He saved us by the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit. (Titus 3:5) and “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.” (Ephesians 2:8)

6.We all, men and women, boys and girls, have direct access to the throne of grace because everyone who is a born-again believer in Jesus Christ is called a “priest and king” in God’s economy. “But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for His own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” (I Peter 2:9)

I believe that many of the false teachings within the patriocentric movement are in direct contrast to these Scriptures and I would encourage each of us to first examine what we believe about Jesus and His work on the cross, its implications and its marvelous power.

Secondly, I would challenge anyone reading here to examine your own heart and ask yourself whether you have been trusting in good works….baptism, homeschooling, church attendance, modest dress, the list goes on and on, or if you have placed ALL your faith and hope in Jesus’ blood and righteousness alone.

And finally, I would challenge you to examine the teachings within your own church system, whether it is Protestant, Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, etc. Ask yourself what your church teaches about ecclesiastical authority and family authority. Does it line up with the Word of God? It is a top down system that requires certain works in exchange for a relationship with Jesus Christ or do you have the assurance that you are saved for eternity by His death on the cross in your stead? Does it teach that the fruits of the spirit and obedience to all the one anothers is what our lives will demonstrate or is there a list of man made rules?

If you desire to talk with me about this, please send me a note to shesthatmom@gmail.com. My desire is that no one who visits this website will leave without knowing the glorious truth that we can have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and can enjoy a life filled with His goodness and grace!

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Adoration of the Home was painted by regional artist, Grant Wood. The original hangs in the Cedar Rapids Museum of Art. Ben Campbell and Lon Eldridge deserve extra cookies for writing, performing, recording, and mixing Mom’s Prairie Song for the podcast intro and outro. Great job, guys. Garrison Keillor would be proud.

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