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“It is puzzling to know why the Elsie Dinsmore books continue to be so revered but are being removed from the Vision Forum shelves. Whatever the reason, here’s hoping their daughters and granddaughters will now be introduced to genuine godly womanhood through the biographies of women like Amy Carmichael, Gladys Aylward, Betty Greene, Mary Slessor, and their feminine role models from the pages of Scripture. No more Elsie Dinsmore: That’s the very good end of an era.”
Read more of my Breakpoint article here.

 

25 Responses to no more Elsie Dinsmore

  • Laura (old OR vintage) says:

    Amen to this! These books are terrible and my daughters and I were horrified when they read them years ago. You are right- they are replete with racism and weirdness between little girls and grown men…not to mention bigotry, child abuse, emotional abuse…

    Thanks Karen for focusing on this!

  • Anthea says:

    Thanks for the link to the website. I was always puzzled by ‘Gone With The Wind’, in that it was presented as a romance between Rhett and Scarlet. Even on first viewing as a v young woman, I could see the romanticised view of slavery. I have never read the novel, however.

    Could anyone suggest good reading matter as a positive alternative to Elsie Dinsmore? I have my own favourites, but what about ‘thatmom.com’ readers?

  • Kris says:

    I don’t have a daughter, but we read the YWAM biographies about women and men such as Mary Slessor, Corrie Ten Boom, Lottie Moon, Clara Barton, Nate Saint, Ronald Reagan and the list goes on. They are much loved reading and you can find them on the YWAM Publishing website and they are called Christian Heroes I think and Heroes of History.

  • Pressing On says:

    Yes, it seems *very* strange that they are pulling a set of books that was so popular with no explanation. It would be nice indeed to know why.

    Did they finally cave to criticism? Will they admit that Elsie is not really a role model?

    One has to wonder…

  • Vangie says:

    Thanks for sharing. As an auntie to three nieces, I’ve been looking for good lit…Glad I don’t have to wade through Elsie since you’ve done it:)

  • Gayle says:

    If you are looking for older literature I highly recommend the Little House Books and Anne of Green Gables books for a start I loved them dearly as a young girl and don’t regret reading them at all.

  • thatmom says:

    To be very clear, Vision Forum has made no statement or even a gesture that indicates that they have had a change of heart about these books. In fact, they are still saying that Elsie is a godly role model and are continuing to produce the CD’s and other amenities.

    http://www.visionforum.com/browse/product/elsie-dinsmore-mp3-collection/default.aspx

    “In the nineteenth century, millions of readers learned the meaning of godly womanhood from a little girl named Elsie. Her commitment to principle in the midst of adversity and her passionate love for Jesus Christ were the theme of twenty-eight volumes spanning her life. Elsie raises the standard of godly womanhood to new heights. Feminists will not be happy with Elsie. She is a God honoring young woman who strives to solve problems while working through biblical authority structures.”

  • thatmom says:

    Yes yes yes to the Little House series! I still try to read through the series every few years! I remember when my mom and dad had an interest in planting a plot of prairie grass, I brought them copies of the books to read and they couldn’t put them down. Great living history! Love the Anne series too!!!

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  • Peggy Mears says:

    Karen,

    Fantastic article! I found your blog some time back and always enjoy reading it. I am a 52 year old mother of three sons who has been homeschooling for the last 20 years. Like you, I have seen first hand the legalistic and patriarchal underworld of homeschooling which dominated homeschooling magazines and conferences for too many years (and regrettably some of which I dabbled in).

    God bless you as you courageously tell the truth and offer a healing balm to many of us that have built an “unsure” foundation on the advice of many who were much more concerned with power than truth and grace.

  • thatmom says:

    Peggy, thanks for your kind words! As a veteran homeschooling mom, you have a voice that needs to be heard and I am praying that the Lord will give you many opportunities.

  • Kh says:

    I honestly had no idea that these books contained this. My daughters have had them on their shelves for years. They came highly recommended. I think I’m going to go pull them off and scan them over. I’m really very careful about reading materials..These came highly recommended in home school circles..

  • Susan T says:

    We love the Betsy- Tacy books by Maud Hart Lovelace – these are also fictionalized tales of the author’s childhood in early 1900′s Mankato, MN (Deep Valley in the books) The first four books are excellent read alouds for all children and the next 4 books are about the high school years – so fun to contrast our lives with, as our kids are reaching high school age; then the last two books are about Betsy traveling to Europe just before WW1 and finally Betsy’s wedding. There are also 3 other books in the series which feature Betsy’s friends, more than Betsy – overall these do for early 1900′s small town Midwest, what “Little House” does for homesteading. There is a Betsy-Tacy society online to find more info. The parents are very gracious in these books.

    Another series showcasing gracious parenting are the Ramona books by Beverly Cleary. These are also fun to read aloud and the audio versions read by Stockard Channing are a hoot! Then the Ramona movie is a great follow-up, showing grace-based parenting.

  • Could it be that the internet is doing it’s job and word is getting out about the unsavory elements of this series to such an extent that sales have declined to the point that it is no longer cost effective to continue reprinting and promoting them?

  • Anthea says:

    Have any of you read ‘The Railway Children’? It’s a tenderly-told English classic. Everyone goes all misty-eyed at the memory of the book and/or film.

  • Dani says:

    I would like to know if the author of this article has read the Elsie Dinsmore book series? I have read these books to all my daughters and thought them to be great fictional reading that portrayed that time period very well….like it or not. There were several teaching moments throughout the books but, overall, found the books to be quite commendable. I had the books highly recommended to me and I, in turn, have highly recommended this series to many, many moms and daughters, who enjoyed it as well. I find it disturbing that many women who have come to embrace feminism would like to eradicate books such as these.

  • Rosy says:

    I am not the author of this article, but I have read the first several of these books. When my oldest daughter, a voracious reader was 11 or so, she started getting them from the church library, I read them, and was horrified at the bigotry that I found, and very disturbed at the relationship between Elsie and her father. In one of the later books, her father behaves very abusively to a child who was staying with Elsie for the summer, and then after her husband dies, Elsie is still not treated as a fully functioning adult, no, she goes back under her father’s “protection”…Unlike some mothers, I have a pretty loose monitoring system but there is one series of books they are not allowed to read and that is Elsie Dinsmore.

  • Interesting subject, as I am right now purging out Elsie books that I bought without reading (“highly recommended”, etc). I have listened to the first two books on audio and both centre around Elsie’s personal convictions about Sabbath keeping (in the first book, it was about reading a newspaper on Sunday, and in the second, it was about playing a secular piano tune on Sunday). Her father demands her obedience without compassion, and only Elsie’s ensuing deathly illnesses bring him around both times. Same story, basically. Happily, her convictions bring him under conviction in book two, and he receives Jesus.
    The series disturbed me and my children, with my oldest pleading, “no more Elsie!” It did open a wonderful door for discussing the law of liberty and love, and legalism, as Paul puts forward in Romans. We discussed how to respond when another believer holds a different perspective on what is appropriate for a Christian, touching on common controversies such as head coverings and Halloween, (and of course Sabbath keeping). As we all have probably learned, home schoolers (and Christians in general) come in all shapes and colours, but we can have fellowship in God’s grace, as we walk in it ourselves and freely bestow it upon others. Elsie may not be the ideal role model, but she is commendable in her steadfast conviction and quiet patience, and can be a source of great theological discussions with your young ones :)

  • thatmom says:

    Dani, I would love to hear your specifics as to how my critique of Elsie means I have embraced “feminism.” Not sure how you define it and see any application…..seriously confused. Btw, I also read the first couple of books and skimmed others. Could barely handle it.

  • Hester says:

    I suspect they’ve saturated their market and sales are going down. Maybe the same reason they’re coming out with new adventure books for boys – everyone’s already bought the Ballatyne books? Just my theory.

  • A.Roddy says:

    to Dani June 5th, it isn’t just femnists who have problems with these books. Feminsists are easy targets to blame for everything wrong in the world today. Excuse women for not wanting to be little doormats cheerfully obeying every command their masters say. The way Elsie was treated by Horace would be deemed child abuse in modern times and rightfully so. Though Horace changed, he still controlled Elsie. I think positive reviewers have read the watered down version and not the original. Elsie is good for older readers for historical purposes but not much else.

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thatmom says:
"Real books from the library, a tub of art supplies, being read stories rich in vocabulary, a variety of good music, the daily discussion of God’s Word and how it relates to the world around him, and the attention of a loving parent who includes him in all the activities of real life are the secrets to a great learning experience for children." ~ thatmom
thatmom says:
"Being a mom is sort of like being all the people who crowd into a basketball arena all at once. Sometimes we are the players, the ones who are responsible for everything that is going on and our presence is front and center. Sometimes we are the coaches, giving comfort and encouragement, instructing with a clipboard in hand. Other times we are the referees, no striped shirts required but whistles are a must to break up the disputes when the game isn’t played as per the rules. Still other times we are the fans, cheering wildly from the stands, shouting from a distance but not from the floor. And then there are the days when we are the cheerleaders, the ones who scream 'Yeah, you can do it.' " ~ thatmom
thatmom says:
“The beauty of homeschooling is building relationships within our families and inspiring our children to become lifelong learners, gently leading them into the truth of Scripture and trusting that the work we have begun will be brought to completion by a sovereign God who has a plan for building His heavenly kingdom.” ~ thatmom
thatmom says:
"A family that embraces a paradigm becomes lazy and doesn’t study the Word of God for themselves. They take what others state as gospel. They have to check in with the “expert” blogs to see how so and so is doing it. It requires little effort and, truthfully, little leadership on the part of the parents. Dads who think they are turning the hearts of their children to themselves are really turning the hearts of their children to the dad’s gurus!" ~ thatmom
thatmom also says:
“After parenting for 36 years, I have come to realize that all paradigms are basically a list of do’s and don’ts that someone has created. Instead of embracing a list, I have discovered that it is best for me to run all ideas, philosophies, and paradigms through my “one-anothering hopper.” I ask myself if the suggestions or ideas I am hearing will serve to build my relationships or will serve to tear them down; will they reflect the one-anothering commands of Scripture? I ask if they are a picture of Christ and His relationship with me as His needy daughter. If not, I am not interested, no matter how much appeal they might have for any number of reasons.” ~ thatmom
thatmom says this, too:
“The word wisdom is used in Exodus to describe the knowledge that the Lord gave to the skilled artisans so they could make Aaron’s garments for worship. We are told that these workers “were given wisdom and understanding in knowledge and all manner of workmanship.” I have never had to sew any garments for a priest to wear for worship. I have not had to sew any draperies or build any walls or prepare any inner sanctuary as per the Lord’s instructions. But I have been called to give all I can toward the goal of building up children in the faith, preparing children for life outside my home, children whose bodies, we are told, are called the very temple of the Holy Spirit, children whose job it is to worship in spirit and in truth." ~ thatmom
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" What is thy only comfort in life and death? "That I, with body and soul, both in life and death, am not my own, but belong unto my faithful Savior Jesus Christ; who, with His precious blood, has fully satisfied for all my sins, and delivered me from all the power of the devil; and so preserves me that without the will of my heavenly Father, not a hair can fall from my head; yea, that all things must be subservient to my salvation, and therefore, by his Holy Spirit, He also assures me of eternal life, and makes me sincerely willing and ready, henceforth, to live unto him." ~ Heidelberg Catechism
What does it mean to be a Christian?

1.We must acknowledge that we are all sinners. “For we are all become as one that is unclean, and all our righteousnesses are as a polluted garment: and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. (Isaiah 64:6) and “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23)

2.We are all accountable for our own sins before God. “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.” (2 Corinthians 5:10)

3.There is only one way to be forgiven of these sins and that is through the blood of Jesus Christ. “Jesus said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)

4.If we confess our sin to the Lord and repent of it (not allow it to rule in our lives) we can be forgiven and be in right standing with God. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousenss.” (1 John 1:9)

5.Genuine salvation will result in living lives of good works but none of those works contribute in any way to our standing before God which is based solely and completely on the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. “But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, He sat down at the right hand of God. (Hebrews 10:12) and “Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy He saved us by the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit. (Titus 3:5) and “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.” (Ephesians 2:8)

6.We all, men and women, boys and girls, have direct access to the throne of grace because everyone who is a born-again believer in Jesus Christ is called a “priest and king” in God’s economy. “But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for His own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” (I Peter 2:9)

I believe that many of the false teachings within the patriocentric movement are in direct contrast to these Scriptures and I would encourage each of us to first examine what we believe about Jesus and His work on the cross, its implications and its marvelous power.

Secondly, I would challenge anyone reading here to examine your own heart and ask yourself whether you have been trusting in good works….baptism, homeschooling, church attendance, modest dress, the list goes on and on, or if you have placed ALL your faith and hope in Jesus’ blood and righteousness alone.

And finally, I would challenge you to examine the teachings within your own church system, whether it is Protestant, Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, etc. Ask yourself what your church teaches about ecclesiastical authority and family authority. Does it line up with the Word of God? It is a top down system that requires certain works in exchange for a relationship with Jesus Christ or do you have the assurance that you are saved for eternity by His death on the cross in your stead? Does it teach that the fruits of the spirit and obedience to all the one anothers is what our lives will demonstrate or is there a list of man made rules?

If you desire to talk with me about this, please send me a note to shesthatmom@gmail.com. My desire is that no one who visits this website will leave without knowing the glorious truth that we can have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and can enjoy a life filled with His goodness and grace!

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