podcast with Meg Moseley and When Sparrows Fall, part one
This week, I am celebrating the 6th anniversary of my podcast by welcoming homeschooling mom and award winning author, Meg Moseley, to join me! In part one of this conversation, Meg and I discussed the rise of spiritual abuse within evangelicalism and the fruits of patriocentricity, which she masterfully portrays in her novel When Sparrows Fall. If you would like a chance to win a copy of her book, leave a comment and your name will be entered in the week’s drawing. (I will be drawing one name each week while this podcast series airs!)
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Join me on an adventure as we study through Chuck Swindoll’s book The Grace Awakening. Each Monday I will post some thoughts from a portion of the book and we will discuss them in the comment section, making special application for moms. (Dads and singles are welcome to join us, too!) You can purchase a copy of the book (there are lots of used copies available via Amazon) or it is also available on audio. I don’t want you to feel like you have to read along to join in the discussion; I want this to be as stress free as possible. But I know you will enjoy the book if you read it……understanding and embracing grace is life changing and many have found this book to be a great encouragement after coming through paradigm based ministries, including some homeschooling groups. Please invite your friends, I know you will be blessed!!! We will be starting on July 23rd!
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Discerning True and False Teachers
The "Yes" Face
Nurturing Our Children for the Glory of God
- I Am My Child’s Friend
- HSLDA accused of turning blind eye to child abuse: you decide
- some more thoughts on complementarianism
- the passing of my mom
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1.We must acknowledge that we are all sinners. “For we are all become as one that is unclean, and all our righteousnesses are as a polluted garment: and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. (Isaiah 64:6) and “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23)
2.We are all accountable for our own sins before God. “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.” (2 Corinthians 5:10)
3.There is only one way to be forgiven of these sins and that is through the blood of Jesus Christ. “Jesus said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)
4.If we confess our sin to the Lord and repent of it (not allow it to rule in our lives) we can be forgiven and be in right standing with God. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousenss.” (1 John 1:9)
5.Genuine salvation will result in living lives of good works but none of those works contribute in any way to our standing before God which is based solely and completely on the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. “But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, He sat down at the right hand of God. (Hebrews 10:12) and “Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy He saved us by the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit. (Titus 3:5) and “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.” (Ephesians 2:8)
6.We all, men and women, boys and girls, have direct access to the throne of grace because everyone who is a born-again believer in Jesus Christ is called a “priest and king” in God’s economy. “But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for His own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” (I Peter 2:9)
I believe that many of the false teachings within the patriocentric movement are in direct contrast to these Scriptures and I would encourage each of us to first examine what we believe about Jesus and His work on the cross, its implications and its marvelous power.
Secondly, I would challenge anyone reading here to examine your own heart and ask yourself whether you have been trusting in good works….baptism, homeschooling, church attendance, modest dress, the list goes on and on, or if you have placed ALL your faith and hope in Jesus’ blood and righteousness alone.
And finally, I would challenge you to examine the teachings within your own church system, whether it is Protestant, Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, etc. Ask yourself what your church teaches about ecclesiastical authority and family authority. Does it line up with the Word of God? It is a top down system that requires certain works in exchange for a relationship with Jesus Christ or do you have the assurance that you are saved for eternity by His death on the cross in your stead? Does it teach that the fruits of the spirit and obedience to all the one anothers is what our lives will demonstrate or is there a list of man made rules?
If you desire to talk with me about this, please send me a note to shesthatmom@gmail.com. My desire is that no one who visits this website will leave without knowing the glorious truth that we can have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and can enjoy a life filled with His goodness and grace!
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Very much I’d like a copy! Thanks for hosting the giveaway!
I loved the book, and posted my review here about a year and a half ago:
http://comewearymoms.blogspot.com/2011/07/when-sparrows-fall-by-meg-moseley.html
I am grateful for all that you and Meg have done to help address and heal the damage of legalism in the home school movement.
Karen, I’d like to make it *two* copies each week you’re airing the podcast.
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I would SO love to get a copy too! Pretty please…
I’m just gonna purchase one outright but if I win one, I’ll donate it to my homeschool co-op’s library.
Meg, great news for our listeners! Share this info with your friends!
I would love a copy!
After listening to the podcast about the book..I was thinking about a comment that was made..I think the author when talking about the real situations people are in like this said something along the lines of “this weirdness”..or “absolute weirdness” and I chuckled..Because sadly, I know what she’s talking about.
It’s not really funny and I find it embarrassing and horrific that this stuff is being taught in churches and home school circles. Not in all-but some-and for that reason it is enough to be exposing the lies of this way of thinking.
Thank God..after leaving a church 6 1/2 years ago where I might add that the Pastor preached the word of God but in their personal life believed and talked about much of this..(we left 6 1/2 yrs.ago) that my adult kids have seen the absolute absurdity of all of that.
I’m still homeschooling 2 teenagers and they and my 20 yr.old don’t have memories of this garbage but our 3 older grown ones do. It really happens. Most of the times it starts out very subtle. When we finally left the church, I remember the Pastor’s wife saying that we should have just trusted them. What?? How can you do that with someone when you are going to someone with real concerns and you are just being ignored like there’s something wrong with you.
It is really not a pleasant topic but it really does need to be addressed..So Thanks!
I haven’t read the book. Would it be a good choice to send to a person at a patriarchal church who won’t be convinced enough to leave by theology?
Hey, everybody! I apologize for being late to join the discussion again. I’ve been away from my computer all day.
KH: I completely agree that it’s not a pleasant topic but it does need to be addressed. Sometimes I get tired of harping on these issues, but I don’t want to see any more lives damaged by what you so rightly call “garbage.” It sounds like you’ve found a new and healthy way to homeschool, leaving the absurdity behind!
Hoppy: If the person at a patriarchal church enjoys reading fiction, the novel might at least be a thought-provoking read. It’s light on theology but I tried to let the characters’ lives show how bad teachings can do untold harm. But the story includes some comic relief too, so someone who isn’t quite ready to think about the real issues might still enjoy the story and (I hope) keep thinking about it later.
This has been on my wishlist for a while. I’d love a copy, and thanks for the podcast
My husband and I just had a brief but wonderful reunion with some dear friends whom we’ve known since about 1986 when we were in the same homeschool co-op. The visit stirred up a lot of sweet memories of the early days of homeschooling when it all seemed so simple. It was also a good reminder that all the different methods of schooling bring mixed results whether we’re talking about academics or spiritual growth. I’m so grateful that God’s grace is there for our families in spite of our mistakes as parents. Can I get an amen?!
Meg, it really does help to have a reality check when you are pondering the issues your book brings up! I keep coming back to the concept of grace and how important it is to keep in front of us at all times. First we have to recognize that every good thing that comes to us and to our families is an expression of God’s grace to us. I believe we can be proud of our kids and still acknowledge that God is the one who has worked in their lives, often in spite of our best efforts! But we also have to recognize that even when we fail, He is faithful.
Over the past year I have come to see that one of the most important things we can do, in fact probably the most important when it comes to raising children, is to be repentant before both the Lord and our kids. Parental repentance, I believe, is key to unlocking hardened hearts. The patriarchy movement, which is fueled by hierarchy, has to see everything children do in disagreement with their parents as rebellion. (same is true on husband to wife relationships) and that leaves no room for repentance on the part of parents. It also leaves no room for parents to come out of thees paradigms…we are all in rebellion, you know.
Meg, thanks for showing another way….
KH, someone asked me one day if I felt the Lord had given me a calling to keep this topic in front of homeschoolers and I guess I would have to answer “yes” in that I really don’t enjoy this kind of research or in finding such horrible teachings that are so harmful to homeschooling families. Sometimes it helps to step away from it and there have been many times when I have personally wanted to run and hide under a blanket! But, without fail, on those days I always get an email that reminds me how important it is to encourage homeschooling families to be in the Word and not the paradigm!
Thatmom..I’m sure it can get very tiresome to keep speaking on this at times.I was thinking..This is not the Only thing you write on so I would say that a good portion of what you have written has been an encouragement and help to us moms who are still homeschooling.(I really made alot of your Christmas goodies and they were a big hit..lol) Many of your podcasts have encouraged me personally.So..Thankyou!
I appreciated what you said about sometimes wanting to run and hide under a blanket. I think we all feel that way at times when we see what’s happening in the world around us and then we see what’s happening in the supposed christian realm. It can be disheartening at times but I think we always need to remember..Just as you have pointed out many times..There is Truth in God’s Word and we can find it there!!
One of the things that I have realized as a parent..My kids expect me to speak out against false teachings. They are out there in so many ways and sometimes it’s just crazy.Thanks for speaking up!!
I love this book, but even more, I love the woman who wrote it! I lived across the street from Meg for many years and homeschooled my children, too. Meg was a role model for me in many ways, offering grace and sanity in my moments of doubt. I recognize my own journey in her book as I struggled with some of the same issues Miranda does, and desperately sought (and found) the freedom and grace that the Lord intends for us to have.
I second what KH just said. Thanks for speaking up, Karen. You’ve really educated a lot of us about the false teachings and strange practices. I hope that if we’ll keep shining a light on the weirdness, fewer people will fall for it. Homeschooling can be such a normal and wonderful choice when it’s not twisted by strange theology.
Can you add me to the list? Thank you, Meg for taking on this dark topic in a novel. I hope it blesses many. There really is too much spiritual tyranny in church. It makes me sad and angry.
Julie Anne, thank you for taking a bold stand against spiritual abuse. I have followed your story, and I’m so glad you prevailed in court. I hope your experiences will encourage others to speak up.
I already own the book and enjoyed reading it very much
Karen, when you talked about the woman who believes women are more easily deceived than men…wow, that was me 6 years ago. I totally and completely believed that.
This week’s book winners are Michelle G. and Jerzy! Please send me your snail mail addresses so I can get them to Meg! Congratulations!!!!!
Becky, I’m glad you enjoyed the book! Michelle G. and Jerzy, your books will be on their way as soon as I can get your addresses from Karen. Everybody else, be sure to leave a comment on the “Part 2″ post if you’d like to be entered in the next drawing.