Patriarachy, Christian Reconstructionism, and White Supremacy

A great article, that pulls together many things that have niggled in the back of my mind while reading about Wilson et. al. I first stumbled across the whole can of worms back in 2007 when I ran into the LAF website. I noticed then that their links all ran in a circle–they were all quoting each other all the time. This would probably be one reason why. I mean, even their English prose style doesn’t change that much from book to book or website to website. It’s eerie.

Thanks for the heads up on this post, Karen. It brings together very neatly most of the threads I’ve been trying to weave together for a few days since I found a flyer in my church’s foyer promoting a local symposium led by Wilson. Why TGC and the rest of the evangelical celebrity pastors are mainstreaming this guy is a mystery to me, but I’m not about to let him be promoted in my own church without a fight.

Thank you, Karen. Sadly, I feel the only way for this stuff to be exposed more would be for the women involved to rise up and say what is happening. I have a feeling that in a few years the children of these leaders – those who mature enough to see through it – will be the ones to indict their own parents as to the falsehoods they were taught.

Hello all.It has been many many months since I wrote on here. In the meantime, we have made a total break from the evangelical/Baptist/neo Calvinist church, and I am overjoyed in so many ways. I cannot express what a relief this is, and how our kids have even regained their interest in and enthusiasm for church. We have joined a pro-life, liturgical Lutheran church, and being around Christians who operate in a whole n’other world in so many ways has been a healing experience. Of course,no church is perfect, no people are perfect, and the solution to this mess that has been created in Christian circles with crazy and repressive teaching is not that everyone join liturgical churches! But for our family, this has been a gift from God. Imagine a conservative church that allows women to speak, teach, help with Communion, make decisions and serve on the Board of Directors ! There isn’t any of the obsession with masculine vs feminine that I can find. There is no mention of the latest book by Mark Driscoll or any of his crowd. What peace!

However, as home schoolers, we still come face to face with absurd and alarming teachings such as what is covered in this article. ( Civil War Ball, anyone???) Karen, you remember that way back I was concerned about this racist thread that is permeating our community. This is an excellent article and I am convinced that if this issue is not brought out into the open, it will cause the home school movement to self destruct. There are so many women I have spoken with that have NO CLUE where alot of these guys are coming from or going to with their revisionist history of the Civil War, their glorifying of 19th century culture and gender roles, and absolute adherence to extreme views on science and creation. Keep exposing this, because I have seen it getting more and more pervasive. (And in mentioning Civil War Balls, I am not talking about historical reenactment or drama. I mean events sponsored by people who really think that the culture of the old south was a fine thing, and that we should honor its sad and tragic demise.)I know our conventions here are all controlled by the patriarch type guys. I haven’t attended one in years.

God bless you Karen, and keep it up!

I just read the article that Karen put up and I cracked up! What on earth would this man think if he only knew that not only did my 2 older grown sons play with dolls (their sisters dolls) but also nursed them. They would watch me nurse my baby and they would run and get their baby to nurse. They are now 26 and 24 and believe me..They are very manly! This stuff just gets ridiculous!!

Granddad, I think some would question your term egalitarian as regards our church! We are a branch of the Lutheran church that does NOT ordain women as pastors! This has never been as issue with me, though it is for many. All I ask is to be able to participate as part of the body of Christ, and I am very content with that. I think I am very traditional in my view of women in the church. Actually I think it is the evangelical, Calvinist/Baptist church that has changed and become obsessed with the subordination of women. I remember when I was a kid (awfully long ago), women were vital and contributing members of their churches. In many churches today it is more and more that women are marginalized in an almost fanatical way. Just for an example, I almost fell over when my new pastor gladly supplied me materials on Lutheran theology, included me in class discussions…even asked me to share with the Sunday School class. In other churches we have attended, basically only husbands were allowed to do so.I didn’t realize that so much of this had even rubbed off on me! A woman speaking up in Sunday School was considered out of line! I don’t think that it should be considered radical or even egalitarian for a woman to be able to learn and discuss theology in a mixed group…but some do! Anyway, it’s a great discussion and I appreciate the chance to share.

Hi Karen! I have missed you! Blessings to all.

I do appreciate that you don’t find those who hold different views on church to be heretics! You would be surprised at how many do!

Laura,
My apology for reading more into you original post than what was there. When I read “women teach” that seemed to signify a basically egalitarian model. The Board of Directors threw me as well. I presume, then, that the BofD are not the same as elders?

I have never been in a church were women are not allowed to speak during the Sunday School class or during congregational business meetings. I may be opposed to female pastor/elders but I sure don’t want to cut myself off from their insight and wisdom. Sunday School would not be the same without these ladies.

Heresy is a serious charge and cannot be made lightly. Are there heretics today? You bet your bottom dollar! I think many (if not most) of the name-it-and-claim-it folks are getting dangerous close to the line and periodically step over. I think the theology of the patriarchal folks is aberrant in many areas and often extra-biblical. Is it heretical? I’m not quite ready to put them in that camp….yet. Do I view them as a danger to the body of Christ? Oh, yes.

I enjoy “arguing” with my Baptist pastor friend and relish our periodic theology lunches. Clearly we think our positions are correct (why else hold them if you don’t) but neither thinks the other is a heretic. The impression I have of some of the patriarchal guys is that it would be nie on to impossible to carry on a civil discourse of the matter.

Thanks for thanking a swipe at me, Laura.

(And in mentioning Civil War Balls, I am not talking about historical reenactment or drama. I mean events sponsored by people who really think that the culture of the old south was a fine thing, and that we should honor its sad and tragic demise.)
– Laura (Old OR Vintage)

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