part six of the podcast series on the family integrated church movement
This week’s podcast is the second part of my interview with Pastor Steve Doyle.
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Join me on an adventure as we study through Chuck Swindoll’s book The Grace Awakening. Each Monday I will post some thoughts from a portion of the book and we will discuss them in the comment section, making special application for moms. (Dads and singles are welcome to join us, too!) You can purchase a copy of the book (there are lots of used copies available via Amazon) or it is also available on audio. I don’t want you to feel like you have to read along to join in the discussion; I want this to be as stress free as possible. But I know you will enjoy the book if you read it……understanding and embracing grace is life changing and many have found this book to be a great encouragement after coming through paradigm based ministries, including some homeschooling groups. Please invite your friends, I know you will be blessed!!! We will be starting on July 23rd!
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1.We must acknowledge that we are all sinners. “For we are all become as one that is unclean, and all our righteousnesses are as a polluted garment: and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. (Isaiah 64:6) and “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23)
2.We are all accountable for our own sins before God. “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.” (2 Corinthians 5:10)
3.There is only one way to be forgiven of these sins and that is through the blood of Jesus Christ. “Jesus said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)
4.If we confess our sin to the Lord and repent of it (not allow it to rule in our lives) we can be forgiven and be in right standing with God. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousenss.” (1 John 1:9)
5.Genuine salvation will result in living lives of good works but none of those works contribute in any way to our standing before God which is based solely and completely on the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. “But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, He sat down at the right hand of God. (Hebrews 10:12) and “Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy He saved us by the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit. (Titus 3:5) and “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.” (Ephesians 2:8)
6.We all, men and women, boys and girls, have direct access to the throne of grace because everyone who is a born-again believer in Jesus Christ is called a “priest and king” in God’s economy. “But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for His own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” (I Peter 2:9)
I believe that many of the false teachings within the patriocentric movement are in direct contrast to these Scriptures and I would encourage each of us to first examine what we believe about Jesus and His work on the cross, its implications and its marvelous power.
Secondly, I would challenge anyone reading here to examine your own heart and ask yourself whether you have been trusting in good works….baptism, homeschooling, church attendance, modest dress, the list goes on and on, or if you have placed ALL your faith and hope in Jesus’ blood and righteousness alone.
And finally, I would challenge you to examine the teachings within your own church system, whether it is Protestant, Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, etc. Ask yourself what your church teaches about ecclesiastical authority and family authority. Does it line up with the Word of God? It is a top down system that requires certain works in exchange for a relationship with Jesus Christ or do you have the assurance that you are saved for eternity by His death on the cross in your stead? Does it teach that the fruits of the spirit and obedience to all the one anothers is what our lives will demonstrate or is there a list of man made rules?
If you desire to talk with me about this, please send me a note to shesthatmom@gmail.com. My desire is that no one who visits this website will leave without knowing the glorious truth that we can have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and can enjoy a life filled with His goodness and grace!


Hi Karen,
I finally got a chance to listen to this whole podcast series today – yay! They were excellent and thank you for staying on this issue. The point Pastor Mathis made at the end of #4 was so, so good about the fact that we are still worthwhile to God even if our children grow up and leave the faith. I’ve long felt that many FIC Reformed folk are Calvinistic in their outward declarations, but very Arminian when it comes to raising their children. This dichotomy wasn’t lost on me even in the beginning.
I was wondering if you would comment on something you said in this (#6) podcast about being taught situational ethics in school. What did you mean by that? When someone says that something being taught is “moralism”, and that’s a negative thing, what is meant by that? In other words, what is the difference between situational ethics/moralism and true biblical teaching? I’m thinking that how you were taught in the PS for instance, was to be good, and to do right without much undergirding of biblical truth? I just want to be clear about it so that I don’t do this with my kids! It’s late and I hope I’m making a bit of sense.:)
Thanks again!
Hi Michelle!
Part seven will be up today some time, Lord willing. Clay had some sort of glitch as he finished it up last night. There are two episodes with Steve Doyle and then a 4 part series with John Zens talking about the doctrines that are at the root of teachings in the family integrated church movement. Those are a humdinger!
When I was a kid growing up in a public school system in a small Midwestern town, I witnessed the tremendous shift in philosophy that took place. In the earlier grades, our teachers actually prayed before we had milk break and at lunch. When I was in 4th grade, the Supreme Court banned prayer from public school, though President Kennedy was shot that next fall and I saw a lot of praying going on that day! By the time I was in junior high and high school, some teachers were already introducing discussions that involved “situation ethics” where we were given a scenario to discuss and decide what the moral solution would be. The most familiar example is one where several people in different life situations are together on a life boat and there is only enough food and water for so many of them. As a class, we had to determine which ones should live and which one should die. Of course there was always lively debate (I was in the class after all). It was only a few years down the road that Roe vs Wade actually brought in abortion on demand as the ultimate situational ethics problem.
Fast forward to the early 1980′s when I was doing a lot of substitute teaching. Situation ethics, solving moral dilemmas outside of any belief system that called for moral absolutes, was the standards. I will never forget showing up in one classroom and the teacher had left a movie for her 8th graders that involved some sort of death scenario….it was assisted suicide or something like that….and I was amazed at how successful the post-modern agenda had been. That was when I heard a Christian school teacher proclaim, “Well, we really are all humanists after all, aren’t we?” That, in itself is bitter as I recall she left her husband and little boys soon after to run away with an old high school flame. Situation ethics permeated faculty minds as well.
A few years later, I began to hear parents talking about the nature of sex education in the schools and one young high school girl at church, a very sweet Christian who struggled every day to maintain her standards, told me the horror she experienced at having to place a condom on a banana in front of a room full of girls and guys. In less than 20 years we had gone from praying in school with teachers who led those prayers to Christians being openly mocked and required to participate in vile behavior.
Now here we are another 30 years down the road and if we are to believe the Barna research, the majority of Christians embrace situational ethics without batting an eye. It isn’t unusual to read a popular Christian blogger and see commenters go unchallenged as they talk about the normalcy of Christians living together unmarried and attending church and having fellowship. You even see homosexuality defended and considered a valid choice, even by those who call themselves evangelical! And no fault divorce within the church is out of control, which really renders us no voice to even begin to talk about these things.
But in the midst of it all, God is still on the throne and calling His own to repentance and leading us by His grace!
Thanks so much for taking the time to clarify. I think our ages are within 15 years of eachother or so, so it was interesting to hear about your school experience. By the time I was going to grade school (mid 70s – early 80s) the “bad kids” were smoking on the playground and I remember plenty of talk about sex amongst that age group, and I’m sure it’s way worse now. Looking forward to #7!