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Currently, one of the more commonly requested topics for discussion at family and homeschooling conferences is that of preparing our children for marriage. What is interesting to me is the variety of methods teachers and pastors are promoting, especially the growing interest in the more radical method of betrothal, ie, fathers arranging marriages, paying a bride price, and even having fathers perform marriages under the “authority invested in me as the family patriarch.” Most alarming is that many of these odd practices are taught as “biblical” without any true Scriptural mandate.

In September I will begin a series of podcasts called Mentoring Young Adults and they will include interviews with experts in the areas of Bible study for teens, instilling a Biblical worldview in young adults, and the importance of mentoring. I am so blessed by the willingness of my guests to discuss these topics and I know they will be full of wonderful information and practical insights as well as inspiration for moms who are facing the teen and young adult years with their children.

One of these guests will also be joining me as we examine the various teachings on courtship and betrothal that are being peddled to homeschooling parents these days and holding each of them up to the light of Scripture. Last week someone shared with me a series of “training” videos on this topic and, though most of the ideas weren’t new to me, some of the practices were quite alarming when I watched them “live.” I thought you might find these interesting as we prepare to discuss this topic. (look for “biblical betrothal” in the pull down menu)

As a long-time proponent of continuing homeschooling through the high school years, I want to encourage you to listen to these podcasts and invite your friends to listen as well. And if you have any particular questions you hope to see covered regarding these topics, please send me an e-mail at shesthatmom@gmail.com or leave a comment on this blog entry.

11 Responses to courtship? betrothal? dating with integrity? making friends for life?

  • Jerzy says:

    I’m looking forward to your thoughts on this, Karen. I’m on the verge of teens and would love to have some insight from someone like you. I’m continuing to pray for the Master’s wisdom to be heard through you and for your peace.

    I watched the videos when they were first posted elsewhere and my first reaction was, “I’m watching a bunch of children playacting.” It’s disconcerting to me to watch adults act as if they are participating in “Let’s Pretend” – “I wanna be the bride”, “I wanna be the PRINCE.” “Okay, you can be the prince but I getta be the DAD ’cause he’s like . . . GAAWWWWD” These people have just never grown up. They never learned how to shed the games and live real life. And they’re using the Word to justify it.

    The other observation I had was with the costumes. What was the significance of the Nazi uniform? The groom looked like Rolf from the Sound of Music! And the song they danced to was even from that movie. Was that the theme or something? I didn’t think they were allowed to do things like “the big bad world” and have wedding themes. If my groom had shown up to my wedding toting a gun, my parents would have ushered me out the church door, with no resistance from me! It all made a mockery of a very solemn and joyous occasion. It seems these patriocentrists like to pick eras of history and mimic them; e.g, pioneers, Victorians, Elizabethans. How come none of them pick the Greco/Roman era, first century Christianity, or Garden of Eden? I guess togas, seamless homespun, and fig leaves aren’t as romantic. I’m sure playing dress-up is fun, but you’d think it would get old after the first year!

    Anyway, all quite disturbing for those precious girls (and boys for that matter). I’m so glad you address these things, Karen. This is such an encouraging site.

    Off topic – I’m wondering where Cindy K. and Karen B. are. They haven’t posted on their sites in quite some time.

  • thatmom says:

    Jerzy, I, too, felt like this was play-acting and that the seriousness and the beauty of a marriage ceremony was absent. I contrast it with the lovely weddings of homeschoolers I have witnessed where the couples were committed to each other, had made moral purity a priority, and where the families were involved in the process, all important aspects to be sure. BUT, they also expressed the priority of the romantic nature of marriage and the joy of reflecting God’s relationship with us free of symbolism that is so contrived.

    So much more to still say…..

  • thatmom says:

    Kim, I am so glad you mentioned the cake. I saved it offline to show to Stacy, since she and I are both interested in seeing how other people decorate cakes. But I couldn’t remember where it came from and I hadn’t labeled it! I still don’t know who it belonged to but isn’t it lovely?

  • Saralyn says:

    Yikes. Stop the maddness! Besides the scandalous abuse of Scriptural imagery in The Epistemologically Self-Conscious Wedding video, the fact that the groom had a knife, a gun, and combat boots at his wedding was enough to give me the willies. One nice thing about the videos is that Captain (anyone know exactly of what?) Bret “name names” regarding his sources of information. I am glad that you and others are willing to expose the continual twisting of Scripture that his sources use to bind people into worthless rituals. Why, when God makes plenty of commands like “As God’s chosen people, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, and patience,” do we want to add more?

  • thatmom says:

    Jersy, I, too, am missing Karen B. and Cindy K. and the insights they always offer that are so good. I also know how hectic life gets but I hope we see them around soon!

  • jen oliver says:

    Oh, AWESOME! I was just sitting down to listen to last Friday’s podcast on character development from a biblical perspective, and am thrilled to hear plans for upcoming series on mentoring young adults. Tomorrow my husband and I are beginning a new year with our teen bible study at church–we all agree that its up to parents primarily to disciple their children and teens, but most of our teens are coming from “unchurched” homes where the parents have little interest in the character development (spiritual or otherwise!) of their kids. Not having any teens of my own, I can use ALL of the resources I can get! The Lord has blessed me through what you’ve shared on your post in so many ways–thanks for persevering!

  • thatmom says:

    Jen, there are so many really great resources available right now and I can’t wait to share them. And the best part is that they have been written based on sound research that has been done by the Barna group. If you have any specific questions, please feel free to leave them here because I am anticipating interviews with three absolutely awesome guests who are more than happy to help! The teen years DO NOT have to be a time of turmoil or uncertainty nor do our teens want any less of us than what we have provided in their earlier years….real relationships with them that finds their strength and joy in the Word of God and the delight of one anothering within committed, compassionate relationships!

  • Kim says:

    Karen, it was from a wedding of a friend of ours from this summer. It was on FB and I was tagged in the photo (if not that exact photo, at least one like it) because I arranged the orchids on it. Kristin was a bridesmaid. A dear family friend and sweet girl, homeschooled through highschool, a Moody Bible Institue graduate, who is now teaching with her husband in China for two years.

    I was surprised to see it here. But it appropriately illustrates your topic. Julie and Adam’s story is a good one. It’s online somewhere. I’ll find it and email you the link. Fun!

  • jen oliver says:

    It’s interesting, Karen–my husband is in seminary and this semester one of his major projects will center around our teen/young adult ministry at the church. One of the very things he’s looked at in depth has been Barna’s study–he even e-mailed me and our fellow ministry workers a link to it the other day! Part of his project includes an annotated bibliography of online resources dealing with teens and Christianity, as well as biblical servanthood. He has found some, but not much though he’s spent many hours reading and scanning websites and links. We look forward to seeing where you point us. I know I’ll have questions, so LOOK OUT ;o)

    Thanks again–it’s neat that the Lord has provided you with this burden just as it’s really come to the forefront in our ministry. From our standpoint as relative newlyweds, without much experience but with strong desires to serve and see families strong in sound doctrine and genuine love for God and others, it’s a great encouragement to see/hear about a couple, like you and your husband, that has lived this out and loves God MORE for it (not less, as is too often the case) :o )

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Francis Chan says:
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"God’s love and forgiveness can pardon and restore any and every kind of sin or wrongdoing. It doesn’t matter who you are or what you’ve done. It doesn’t matter if you’ve deliberately oppressed or even murdered people, or how much you’ve abused yourself… There is no evil that the Father’s love cannot pardon and cover, there is no sin that is a match for his grace." ~ Tim Keller
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“The Christian gospel is that I am so flawed that Jesus had to die for me, yet I am so loved and valued that Jesus was glad to die for me. This leads to deep humility and deep confidence at the same time. It undermines both swaggering and sniveling. I cannot feel superior to anyone, and yet I have nothing to prove to anyone. I do not think more of myself nor less of myself. Instead, I think of myself less.” ! Tim Keller in The Reason for God.
Oswald Chambers says:
"If we simply preach the effects of redemption in the human life instead of the revealed, divine truth regarding Jesus Himself, the result is not new birth in those who listen. The result is a refined religious lifestyle, and the Spirit of God cannot witness to it because such preaching is in a realm other than His." ~ Oswald Chambers
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“The power of our theology comes alive when we take the truth personally. Holding God at arm’s length—no matter how much theology we think we know—will never make us great theologians. We have to learn to write our own names into the plot. God will always be the subject of our theological sentences but our sentences are incomplete until we make ourselves the direct objects of his attributes…..Simply knowing a lot of theological ideas, no matter how orthodox and sound they are, will never turn us into great theologians. Theology isn’t really theology for us until we live it. Not until we learn to make explicit connections between what we know about God and the race we are running will we taste the transforming power of our theology. Fixing our eyes on Jesus means reminding ourselves of all that He is to us now. He brings meaning to our routines and energizes us to tackle the difficult tasks at hand. Fixing our eyes on Jesus gives us hope to offer disheartened husbands and hurting friends, and the wisdom we need to raise children who will fix their eyes on Him, too.” ~ from Carolyn Custis James in When Life and Beliefs Collide
Anne Ortlund says:
“So what do we do to encourage them to grow inwardly, to become resourceful and creative, to think, to meditate, to lay the foundation for growing up well? Don’t push, but affirm them! Give them the sense that all is well, that their rate of progress is acceptable to you, that you like them just the way they are…..Guide them but be delighted in them. Let them know that life is to be reached for and drunk of deeply…..Enthusiastic, that’s how you want them to grow up! The word comes from “en Theo,” or “in God.” Support them with words of faith, hope, and love, and in that framework “in God,” they’ll be ready to tackle everything. Fears and cautions are built in at an early age but so is courage! Tomorrow’s world will be different if your child has been released to experiment, to risk, to lead others, to pursue righteousness, to be an affecter for good in society, to go courageously after God.” ~ Anne Ortlund in Children Are Wet Cement
J.C Ryle says:
"Kindness, gentleness, long-suffering, forbearance, patience, sympathy, a willingness to enter into childish troubles, a readiness to take part in childish joys, these are the cords by which a child may be led most easily, these are the clues you must follow if you would find the way to his heart." ~ J. C. Ryle in The Upper Room
Clay Clarkson says:
“Many Christian parents, myself included, tend to speak to children as though they were Pharisees. We can speak harshly and with judgment, implying by our manner that their hearts are hard and resistant. But this attitude is not justified by Scripture. There is no record of Jesus ever speaking to a a child in a harsh tone. When the Gospels record Him speaking to a child, it is always with gentleness. Our children are not our adversaries. Though our children’s hearts are corrupted by sin, they are not hardened sinners who have made conscious choices to reject the Savior. Our children are simply immature and childish. That’s why children need love and compassion, not harshness and guilt.” ~ Clay Clarkson in Heartfelt Discipline
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“Grace can’t be some abstract concept that you talk about in your home. It has to be a real-time action that ultimately imprints itself in your children’s hearts. To talk about grace, sing about grace, and have our children memorize verses about grace – but not give them specific gifts of grace – is to undermine God’s words of grace in their hearts. Grace means that God not only loves them but that He loves them uniquely and specially. The primary way to give our children grace is to offer it in place of our selfish preferences.” ~ Tim Kimmel in Grace-Based Parenting
Chuck Swindoll says:
"You want to mess up the minds of your children? Here's how - guaranteed! Rear them in a legalistic, tight context of external religion, where performance is more important than reality. Fake your faith. Sneak around and pretend your spirituality. Train your children to do the same. Embrace a long list of do's and don'ts publicly but hypocritically practice them privately...yet never own up to the fact that its hypocrisy. Act one way but live another. And you can count on it - emotional and spiritual damage will occur. "
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"The truth is that the way a marriage becomes truly heavenly is for each husband and each wife to pursue, really pursue, a relationship with Jesus Christ, to commit to obey the Word of God, to set aside each of their own agendas and paradigms, and then as they walk in the Holy Spirit, as they are sanctified, a little at a time each day, they will grow closer to one another. Godly wisdom will manifest itself in purity, peace, gentleness, mercy, a willingness to submit to one another, the fruits of the spirit, and no role-playing (the true meaning of hypocrisy). (James 3:17)" ~ thatmom
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"We need to approach our children not as character projects, but rather, we must see them with hearts of sympathy, with compassion and understanding, and with ears that listen. You see, homeschooling is not about lesson plans and research papers and standardized tests. Homeschooling is about building a relationship with our children, friendships that will last our entire lives on earth and clear into eternity. Homeschooling is merely the tool whereby we build those relationships." ~ thatmom
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As a homeschooling mom, I have realized that everything, ultimately, is outside of my own control. I have learned that the unique circumstances that happen in my family have occurred because God’s plan is so much bigger than my own. It is knowing this truth about God and in experiencing that truth with those in my home that has enabled us to face past challenges and that will prepare us for all those difficulties that still lie before us.
thatmom realizes:
If I think about 37 years of marriage, times the number of loads of laundry I have done for 2 parents, 6 children and 1 grandma, I am amazed to know that I have washed, dried, folded, (sometimes ironed) and put away roughly 27,526 loads of laundry. That is over 215,000 socks! Or, in that same amount of time, provided 38,324 meals for a family and sometimes guests. Or that I have overseen nearly 21,500 hours of education of one sort or another during that time. Just thinking of these numbers takes my breath away. ~ thatmom
thatmom says:
"Real books from the library, a tub of art supplies, being read stories rich in vocabulary, a variety of good music, the daily discussion of God’s Word and how it relates to the world around him, and the attention of a loving parent who includes him in all the activities of real life are the secrets to a great learning experience for children." ~ thatmom
thatmom says:
"Being a mom is sort of like being all the people who crowd into a basketball arena all at once. Sometimes we are the players, the ones who are responsible for everything that is going on and our presence is front and center. Sometimes we are the coaches, giving comfort and encouragement, instructing with a clipboard in hand. Other times we are the referees, no striped shirts required but whistles are a must to break up the disputes when the game isn’t played as per the rules. Still other times we are the fans, cheering wildly from the stands, shouting from a distance but not from the floor. And then there are the days when we are the cheerleaders, the ones who scream 'Yeah, you can do it.' " ~ thatmom
thatmom says:
“The beauty of homeschooling is building relationships within our families and inspiring our children to become lifelong learners, gently leading them into the truth of Scripture and trusting that the work we have begun will be brought to completion by a sovereign God who has a plan for building His heavenly kingdom.” ~ thatmom
thatmom says:
"A family that embraces a paradigm becomes lazy and doesn’t study the Word of God for themselves. They take what others state as gospel. They have to check in with the “expert” blogs to see how so and so is doing it. It requires little effort and, truthfully, little leadership on the part of the parents. Dads who think they are turning the hearts of their children to themselves are really turning the hearts of their children to the dad’s gurus!" ~ thatmom
thatmom also says:
“After parenting for 36 years, I have come to realize that all paradigms are basically a list of do’s and don’ts that someone has created. Instead of embracing a list, I have discovered that it is best for me to run all ideas, philosophies, and paradigms through my “one-anothering hopper.” I ask myself if the suggestions or ideas I am hearing will serve to build my relationships or will serve to tear them down; will they reflect the one-anothering commands of Scripture? I ask if they are a picture of Christ and His relationship with me as His needy daughter. If not, I am not interested, no matter how much appeal they might have for any number of reasons.” ~ thatmom
thatmom says this, too:
“The word wisdom is used in Exodus to describe the knowledge that the Lord gave to the skilled artisans so they could make Aaron’s garments for worship. We are told that these workers “were given wisdom and understanding in knowledge and all manner of workmanship.” I have never had to sew any garments for a priest to wear for worship. I have not had to sew any draperies or build any walls or prepare any inner sanctuary as per the Lord’s instructions. But I have been called to give all I can toward the goal of building up children in the faith, preparing children for life outside my home, children whose bodies, we are told, are called the very temple of the Holy Spirit, children whose job it is to worship in spirit and in truth." ~ thatmom
what does thatmom believe?
" What is thy only comfort in life and death? "That I, with body and soul, both in life and death, am not my own, but belong unto my faithful Savior Jesus Christ; who, with His precious blood, has fully satisfied for all my sins, and delivered me from all the power of the devil; and so preserves me that without the will of my heavenly Father, not a hair can fall from my head; yea, that all things must be subservient to my salvation, and therefore, by his Holy Spirit, He also assures me of eternal life, and makes me sincerely willing and ready, henceforth, to live unto him." ~ Heidelberg Catechism
What does it mean to be a Christian?

1.We must acknowledge that we are all sinners. “For we are all become as one that is unclean, and all our righteousnesses are as a polluted garment: and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. (Isaiah 64:6) and “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23)

2.We are all accountable for our own sins before God. “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.” (2 Corinthians 5:10)

3.There is only one way to be forgiven of these sins and that is through the blood of Jesus Christ. “Jesus said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)

4.If we confess our sin to the Lord and repent of it (not allow it to rule in our lives) we can be forgiven and be in right standing with God. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousenss.” (1 John 1:9)

5.Genuine salvation will result in living lives of good works but none of those works contribute in any way to our standing before God which is based solely and completely on the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. “But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, He sat down at the right hand of God. (Hebrews 10:12) and “Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy He saved us by the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit. (Titus 3:5) and “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.” (Ephesians 2:8)

6.We all, men and women, boys and girls, have direct access to the throne of grace because everyone who is a born-again believer in Jesus Christ is called a “priest and king” in God’s economy. “But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for His own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” (I Peter 2:9)

I believe that many of the false teachings within the patriocentric movement are in direct contrast to these Scriptures and I would encourage each of us to first examine what we believe about Jesus and His work on the cross, its implications and its marvelous power.

Secondly, I would challenge anyone reading here to examine your own heart and ask yourself whether you have been trusting in good works….baptism, homeschooling, church attendance, modest dress, the list goes on and on, or if you have placed ALL your faith and hope in Jesus’ blood and righteousness alone.

And finally, I would challenge you to examine the teachings within your own church system, whether it is Protestant, Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, etc. Ask yourself what your church teaches about ecclesiastical authority and family authority. Does it line up with the Word of God? It is a top down system that requires certain works in exchange for a relationship with Jesus Christ or do you have the assurance that you are saved for eternity by His death on the cross in your stead? Does it teach that the fruits of the spirit and obedience to all the one anothers is what our lives will demonstrate or is there a list of man made rules?

If you desire to talk with me about this, please send me a note to shesthatmom@gmail.com. My desire is that no one who visits this website will leave without knowing the glorious truth that we can have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and can enjoy a life filled with His goodness and grace!

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